The Over Reaction to Andrew Painter’s (and Their Other Young Players) Real Problems for the Phillies

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Leave it to Philadelphia fans and media to worry about things they shouldn’t lose a moment’s sleep over. On the night Zack Wheeler returned to the Phillies, their record sat at 8-18, and they were probably the worst team in baseball to that point in the season. His return was just a couple of days removed from the Phillies DFA’ing Taijuan Walker, who was maybe the worst starting pitcher in baseball through the first five rotations through. Andrew Painter kind of looked like a normal rookie trying to figure things out and the night before, Rob Thomson had left him in a batter too long against Atlanta in what had been a good start up until that point. In the time since then, the Phillies are 32-16, but 1-8 in Painter’s starts. If the Phillies continue this rather substantial stretch they’ve been on for almost two months the rest of the way, they’ll win 98 or 99 games. They’re going to be a playoff team rather easily in the end. Painter’s struggles have been substantial, but they have been but a bump on the road for a team that is going to steamroll to one of the NL Playoff spots this season. Yes, I said steamroll.

This does not mean that Painter’s problems are not a real problem. Half the games they’ve lost in the last 48 games were his starts. That’s astoundingly bad. By contrast, Aaron Nola has been as absolutely mediocre as a league average four or five starter over that stretch (to be read, you don’t enjoy his starts) and the Phillies have won the overwhelming majority of them. Yes, it’s not even close to .500. Basically if Painter was going three or four OK innings in his starts and handing the ball to the bullpen the rest of the way, the Phillies would very likely have three or four more wins than they have. Painter has simply not been good enough to be a major league pitcher. I have read plenty of writers and fans lamenting that Alan Rangel is the best current option to replace him in the rotation, and I don’t agree with them, or any talk of the Phillies going and trying to trade for a fifth starter in June. They could literally treat the fifth spot in the rotation as essentially a bullpen/opener game, try to get three or four okay innings from Rangel, and they’ll be a better team for it. The bar is super low.

Of course in the world of sports talk hyperbole today you’re seeing people write Painter’s obituary and say the Phillies should just trade any young prospect they can for any MLB ready help they can, because most prospects fail. There are folks ready to give up on Justin Crawford after a tough month or so, as well as Felix Reyes, Gabriel Rincones Jr., Otto Kemp, and any other number of younger players. Of course this is how you end up as the Angels, watching Brandon Marsh become the player you desperately needed in another uniform before the age of 30. Crawford for sure, but I’d probably say Reyes and Rincones too, need an extended period of at-bats in the majors to figure it out. Crawford’s game probably will take some time to reach it’s potential, but the team is winning games while he figures it out right now, and that really doesn’t make it as big of a problem as some fans would believe. Reyes hit his 16th homer in AAA on Tuesday, but has struggled in sporadic playing time in the major leagues so far- because sporadic playing time is not a good way to see if a guy who crushed AA and AAA as a full time player can hit in the majors. If it were me, I would not be carrying two back-up catchers who cannot hit major league pitching (again, it’s not like they play enough to improve, and Lord knows they should be giving Marchan one start in every series to save J.T. at this age), I’d be platooning Rincones and Reyes in left and getting Reyes some starts at third base as well, to see what they can actually do in the majors. This team is winning games anyway, because their top three starting pitchers, their top several relievers, and their top three or four bats are all so good that they can sustain winning two-thirds of their game when all healthy and playing. You have about a month to decide what people are ahead of the trade deadline and then go get what’s necessary then. Maybe these guys aren’t good enough to win with. Maybe they are. I’d actually kind of like to know.

As for Painter, it’s important to look back on the early careers of Max Scherzer, Roy Halladay, Curt Schilling, and Randy Johnson and understand that not every Hall-of-Fame level stud pitcher that can carry a staff came up ready to carry a staff like a Justin Verlander or Paul Skenes. Hell, Zack Wheeler spent his early years baffling the Mets and the league as to what he was. Writing him off today would be a mistake, though I’m not saying I wouldn’t put him in a trade if I could actually get a difference maker under contract for a while onto my team. Painter might still figure it out if given the time by his organization, he’s only 23 right now. There are guys who will be drafted at his age this year. Blaming the Phillies for holding Painter as a top prospect when literally the whole league called him a top ten prospect in 2023 (and even some in 2024), is silly. The problem since his Tommy John surgery is basically two things- his fastball is flat and his command has not returned. Some folks want to talk about his velocity, but for the most part it has returned and is at least pretty normal. The Phillies are not asking him to be a number one right now, and realistically he needs to be a number three in like 2028 for this team to flourish with him, the bar is not super high. He just needs to be a league average (aka- Nola) fourth or fifth starter right now and stop getting absolutely raked the way he has this season. The problem is simple though- it may not happen. We are about 13 months into him pitching in live professional games post-surgery, the majority of that in AAA and the Majors, and his fastball has lacked it’s old movement since. The Phillies claimed some of it was his arm slot last year, then told us it was fixed in Spring Training, and the ball is still flat. Guys throwing in the mid-to-high 90’s with a flat fastball get hit hard in the Major Leagues, and also many times in AAA. He could certainly survive as a mid to back end rotation piece who doesn’t cost much for the next half decade in Philadelphia if he had better command of all of his stuff, but he has not had that last year or this year. You can’t hang breaking balls against professional hitters. You can’t miss your location with a flat 96 mph fastball in the majors. I don’t know if Painter’s lack of improvement on these things from last year to this year is a Painter problem or a coaching problem, but if no one fixes it, he might not ever be a Major League starter, or even reliever.

Given that the Phillies are a team willing to spend money, Painter failing wouldn’t be as bad of a long term hit as it would be on a small market team. Even so, him being at least a league average guy would be a huge help. In the short term though? Honestly, I don’t get the freak out, or people ready and willing to pay a premium to go get a starting pitcher who would never throw a playoff inning for you outside of mop up (think Taijuan Walker and Walker Buehler *last year*). Yes, I’d like the Phillies to try to get a couple (two or three, quantity over a big splash) of right handed or quality bats in general at the deadline and a late inning reliever, because those moves would help this team in October, and maybe we need a fifth starter at some point later, but these are not urgent, immediate problems for a team winning two-thirds of it’s games for a nearly 50 game sample now. The Phillies have time to see what some of these younger players can do for sustained runs, and they should be trying them out to see just that. They’re on their way to the playoffs. I’ll be honest, I’d be very surprised if they don’t finish as the fourth seed and first Wild Card winner in the National League, and that is perfectly fine with me. Outside of LA, Atlanta, and Milwaukee, most of their competition for that spot have much more glaring, important holes on their roster than we do over the long haul. You don’t win the World Series in June, and the Phillies won’t win or lose it because of their fifth starter. They have much more important problems in their path to winning right now.

NLDS Prediction- Phils in Four

Well, Red October is here, and it starts with a bang. The Dodgers and their four (at least?) future Hall-of-Famers arrive in the Cradle of Liberty to kick off their best-of-5 NLDS this afternoon. It is a heavyweight fight between two of the consistently highest spending franchises in baseball. The Phillies have won the last couple of season series between the two. The Dodgers won the 2024 World Series. The Phillies had the better record and won home field for this series, and a bye to get here. The Dodgers won the NL West and swept Cincinnati.

Most teams would kill for most of either of these rosters, so there’s not many weaknesses. Both teams have been able to get to the others bullpens this year. I still think the bullpens will decide this series though. Dave Roberts does not push his starters super deep into games, which makes sense given their health. It’s hard to flip the switch on that in the postseason, even though they are healthy. Meanwhile the Phillies are built around their starting staff. Even without ace Zach Wheeler, they are the more durable staff, when on.

Both lineups are going to have their moments in this series. I’m assuming both teams will have reasonably decent starting pitching though. So this comes down to the bullpens. I think both probably lose at least one. I think the Dodgers blow two. Those guys, even with Sasaki and Kershaw out there, just aren’t good. For that reason, I’m saying the Phillies win this series. I’m going to say they do it in four.

In the other series, I’ve got Brewers in five, Yankees in five, and Tigers in five.

Welcome to Red October.

We’re Here to Ruin Andy, Patrick, Brittany, Travis, and Taylor’s Party- Philly’s Version

It’s Super Bowl Sunday in America, arguably the biggest secular holiday in America. You know all the storylines already. The Chiefs chasing an unprecedented third straight title. The Eagles going for revenge. Travis probably proposing to Taylor as the confetti falls after a questionable officiating call decides the game. Kendrick Lamar publicly executing Drake’s career during the halftime show. And of course the ads. All the ads.

When the Eagles are in the Super Bowl, the game becomes somewhat of a religious day of obligation across Philadelphia, South Jersey, The Delaware Valley, The Lehigh Valley, Delaware, and Northeast Maryland. Philadelphia is just a different place. Is it better? I won’t go there. Bills Mafia is amazing. Boston during a Yankees series is unique. Sundays in Pittsburgh are special. If you watch old videos from when Washington played in the East Side, you get them. Wrigley is a holy experience. Our friends down 95 in Baltimore put on a show. And yeah, while I hate the Queens fans, the Mets fan base is a blue collar crew. Even so, Philadelphia is different. The Eagles are definitely their own experience.

If you grew up around here, you heard the stories about the great wins, but you suffered through way more terrible losses. For as happy as February of 2018 or October of 2008 were, you earned it ten fold in heartbreak. Joe Carter. Spygate. Kobe and Shaq. Some kid from Millersville robbing Realmuto in the gap. A ticky-tack defensive holding ending Super Bowl 57. Scott Stevens. Fog Bowl. The 1987 Stanley Cup Final. All four of Andy’s NFC Title losses. We grow up together in Philly country learning to appreciate the highs, because we get plenty of lows. It’s the shared experience. We earn those wins.

America seems to be tired of Kansas City now, and I don’t blame them. It wasn’t long ago I was living in Omaha, and spent Super Bowl 54 in a Western Iowa casino. I took San Francisco mostly out of my spite for Reid, so when they went up a couple of scores, I started taunting the people around me who had been real loud. One of them, in an old worn down Chiefs coat replied to me, “of course we’re going to lose, we never win.” I immediately got that dude a drink. They suffered long and hard for this run. Nothing personal folks, you’re a great Midwest fanbase, but America is counting on us to save them from Travis and Taylor on a loop for the next month.

It’s time. The franchise that beat Lombardi and Brady for titles takes aim at Reid and Mahomes tonight. I’m ready for Philly-Philly.

Go. Motha’. Fucking. Birds.